Friday, June 02, 2006
Anti-Christianity? No. Anti-Stupidity? Yes.
Oh wow... everyone's just coming out of the woodwork today lol.
I go away for two days and I come back to see not one, not two, but THREE angry comments... from the same person.
Alright first of all, I'll agree. Not every Christian is bad. Heck, there are even a few branches of Christianity which I morally approve of (notably: Anglicans and Unitarians... probably a few others I don't know about).
And I even know a few good Christians who don't practice their religion to the T. And this is good for them.
When I referred to 'Christians' in the last journal entry, I was referring to the right-wing Christian Conservative 'movement'. You laugh, I'm serious - there is such a movement. They have organizations which petition the government for anti-abortion, anti-homosexuality, anti-birth control, etc. And I was referring also to the Catholic Church in particular. The Catholic Church, regardless of the deviance of a number of their members, speaks strongly against homosexuality and encourages governments not to allow, say, gay marriage (find the Pope's comments on gay marriage back when the debate was on for Canada to legalize it). I had hoped that it would be obvious (considering everyone knows that I don't stereotype) that I was referring to these right-wingers, instead of the entirety of the followers. And when I refer to the malicious acts, again I don't refer to the followers, I refer to the Chruch and its doctrines. I don't criticize the students who attend Catholic schools, I criticize the schools themselves and the organization which perpetuates them. I believe I mentioned all of this in some way in my last journal entry, but if it didn't come across to you, then my apologies.
The westboro church I referred to is, in my mind, merely one specific, extreme example of a problem within the minds of the majority of modern Christians - the belief that they are right, others are wrong and we should be following them. Even if the website IS satire, then it still illustrates my point because this is a real problem. You may not notice it because you are lucky to be among a group of modern Christians, but the problem is there - less so in Canada, but look at the US. The President is a perfect example of a right-wing christian conservative. Just listen to some of his speeches and count how many times the word 'God' is in there. And even in Canada, you can say the same thing about Stephen Harper. I know people who really do believe the world should be the way that this website says - and they aren't kidding.
I think the point is, and Eve is right, that the majority of Christianity has a problem - at least in its leadership. Whether or not the people really believe this or just believe because they're told to believe or don't believe at all is not something I care to guess at because I think the answer would frighten myself. Consider the failed referendums in the States to allow gay marriage - I think one state passed it out of the eleven that cared to try? If that doesn't say something about the opinion of the masses, then I have the head of a chicken. And we shouldn't be wasting time bickering over semantics, whether or not I'm stereotyping and "well I don't act that way, so there isn't a problem with me and I'm going to go on a long rant about Robert and his ignorance". Instead of arguing with me, go argue with a right wing Catholic today and change his mind.
For the record, I'm not against organized religion, Christianity or even Catholics. I'm against their doctrine where it teachs discrimination. Because regardless of your religious beliefs or anything else, I think the point I was trying to make is you CAN NOT and SHOULD NOT discriminate. I really really don't give a damn if your religion teachs that homosexuality is wrong.
And thank you EVe for the supporting journal entry - it makes me glad to know I'm not the only insane person :P.
Comments are still welcome, but if you're going to rant, make sure you understand what I'm writing about this time? And try to make it somewhat logical. I'm still confused where she got the anti-Christianity thing. I thought I was being clear.
Anyways, I'm going back out, but I'll be around later tonight for anyone who wants to chat.
Later
- Dep
I go away for two days and I come back to see not one, not two, but THREE angry comments... from the same person.
Alright first of all, I'll agree. Not every Christian is bad. Heck, there are even a few branches of Christianity which I morally approve of (notably: Anglicans and Unitarians... probably a few others I don't know about).
And I even know a few good Christians who don't practice their religion to the T. And this is good for them.
When I referred to 'Christians' in the last journal entry, I was referring to the right-wing Christian Conservative 'movement'. You laugh, I'm serious - there is such a movement. They have organizations which petition the government for anti-abortion, anti-homosexuality, anti-birth control, etc. And I was referring also to the Catholic Church in particular. The Catholic Church, regardless of the deviance of a number of their members, speaks strongly against homosexuality and encourages governments not to allow, say, gay marriage (find the Pope's comments on gay marriage back when the debate was on for Canada to legalize it). I had hoped that it would be obvious (considering everyone knows that I don't stereotype) that I was referring to these right-wingers, instead of the entirety of the followers. And when I refer to the malicious acts, again I don't refer to the followers, I refer to the Chruch and its doctrines. I don't criticize the students who attend Catholic schools, I criticize the schools themselves and the organization which perpetuates them. I believe I mentioned all of this in some way in my last journal entry, but if it didn't come across to you, then my apologies.
The westboro church I referred to is, in my mind, merely one specific, extreme example of a problem within the minds of the majority of modern Christians - the belief that they are right, others are wrong and we should be following them. Even if the website IS satire, then it still illustrates my point because this is a real problem. You may not notice it because you are lucky to be among a group of modern Christians, but the problem is there - less so in Canada, but look at the US. The President is a perfect example of a right-wing christian conservative. Just listen to some of his speeches and count how many times the word 'God' is in there. And even in Canada, you can say the same thing about Stephen Harper. I know people who really do believe the world should be the way that this website says - and they aren't kidding.
I think the point is, and Eve is right, that the majority of Christianity has a problem - at least in its leadership. Whether or not the people really believe this or just believe because they're told to believe or don't believe at all is not something I care to guess at because I think the answer would frighten myself. Consider the failed referendums in the States to allow gay marriage - I think one state passed it out of the eleven that cared to try? If that doesn't say something about the opinion of the masses, then I have the head of a chicken. And we shouldn't be wasting time bickering over semantics, whether or not I'm stereotyping and "well I don't act that way, so there isn't a problem with me and I'm going to go on a long rant about Robert and his ignorance". Instead of arguing with me, go argue with a right wing Catholic today and change his mind.
For the record, I'm not against organized religion, Christianity or even Catholics. I'm against their doctrine where it teachs discrimination. Because regardless of your religious beliefs or anything else, I think the point I was trying to make is you CAN NOT and SHOULD NOT discriminate. I really really don't give a damn if your religion teachs that homosexuality is wrong.
And thank you EVe for the supporting journal entry - it makes me glad to know I'm not the only insane person :P.
Comments are still welcome, but if you're going to rant, make sure you understand what I'm writing about this time? And try to make it somewhat logical. I'm still confused where she got the anti-Christianity thing. I thought I was being clear.
Anyways, I'm going back out, but I'll be around later tonight for anyone who wants to chat.
Later
- Dep
// posted by Dep @ 12:45:00 p.m.
Comments:
Well done... but it's a pity you had to explain that. *shakes her head* A pointless arguement - you think she doesn't get it, she thinks you don't get it. The circle goes on and on. XP
Cheers, mate! This was very amusing.
Cheers, mate! This was very amusing.
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